The Mindset Shift I Didn’t Believe in... Until I Tried It! Hypnosis, Manifestation, & Mindset with Jen Gutfriend
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What if the reason you're stuck isn’t your strategy... it’s your subconscious?
In this episode, I'm talking to Jen — clinical hypnotherapist, mindset coach, and total powerhouse — about how to actually reprogram the beliefs that are keeping you stuck in burnout, perfectionism, and hustle mode.
Inside, we talk about:
Why mindset work isn’t just "think positive thoughts" BS
How perfectionism and procrastination are warning signs of hidden blocks
What clinical hypnosis actually is (and isn’t) — and how it changes your results
How to make mindset work sustainable without spending hours journaling every day
Plus: You'll hear Jen live-coach me through some of my own subconscious resistance... 👀 Spoiler: It’s real, it’s raw, and it’s exactly what so many of us need.
Resources & Links Mentioned in This Episode:
Grab Jen’s FREE hypnosis bundle: [CLICK HERE]
Check out her Mindset Membership [CLICK HERE]
Follow Jen on Instagram @hypnotherapist_jen
And if you’re DONE with burnout and backend chaos, come join Burnout-Proof Business — where we build systems that run your business for you. Enrollment is open now at coachellyn.com/bpb!
About Jen Gutfriend
Jen is a hypnotherapist, mindset expert, and manifestation coach who helps ambitious female entrepreneurs break through the beliefs that block their next level of success.
Through her signature Abundant You Method, she guides her clients to release subconscious patterns, step into the next-level version of themselves, and take aligned action to manifest more freedom, wealth, and flow—without the hustle or burnout.
Known for her calm yet powerful approach, Jen blends deep subconscious work with soul-aligned strategy, helping clients manifest the lives and businesses they’ve always dreamed of.
When she’s not empowering women to rise, you can find her reading, enjoying nature or spending time with her herd of furry critters.
Learn more at HypnotherapistJen.com or connect with her on Instagram at Hypnotherapist_Jen.
Grab Jen’s FREE hypnosis bundle: [CLICK HERE]
Check out her Mindset Membership [CLICK HERE]
Follow Jen on Instagram @hypnotherapist_jen
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TRANSCRIPT:
Ellyn Schinke (00:01.1)
Hello Jen, welcome to the Burnout Proof Podcast. How are you doing?
Jen (00:03.029)
I'm doing great. I'm so excited to be here.
Ellyn Schinke (00:06.882)
Me too, me too. I'm guys, just so you know, we've had some fun technology things happen as we've been trying to do this. So I'm excited to get to talk to you. I feel like it's been a long time coming. So let's dive into stuff. I always love to just start with kind of like a high level overview, who you are, how you got into doing the work that you're doing, and then we can go from there. So who is Jen?
Jen (00:28.328)
Hey guys, so yeah, so I'm Jen. I'm a clinical hypnotherapist and mindset and manifestation coach and I help ambitious driven women actually create the life they want by not working more. So it's all about making a shit ton of money while actually working less hours so that we don't burn ourselves out because we don't have to work 50, 60 hours a week to actually be successful. We can have the success and the time freedom.
And I know this from experience because I was one who burnt myself out. That's why I resonate so well with Ellen. So I started my own business in my late 20s. I'm now in my 40s. And first it was relatively easy. I started consulting business in the industry I was in at the time, brought a bunch of clients from my old corporate job over with me. And it was just like, this is awesome. This is wonderful. And I remember saying, this is so easy. But then it started getting harder.
Ellyn Schinke (00:59.864)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (01:21.07)
and harder and harder. And soon I was working 50, 60 hour weeks and I did that for like three years until one day I was at the hospital. I had been sick regularly. I was exhausted all the time. My body was constantly in pain. So I was at the hospital getting some x-rays done to try and figure out what's going on. And I remember standing against the wall and the x-ray technician is posing me and I'm like, okay. And my head starts spinning. And this is a normal occurrence at this point to get dizzy and lightheaded.
and my head's spinning and I'm like, no, not now. Like don't, you're in the middle of something, like these people are trying to do things and it just starts spinning. So I thought to myself, I'll just close my eyes for a second, it'll go away. Well, when I closed my eyes, I passed out, hit my head on the floor, gone a concussion at the hospital. And when I woke up, like, I was just like, wow. And at first I was like, I'm so sorry. my God, like I feel so bad. I don't, yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (02:12.878)
I love how the woman brain works. Like I just passed out, but I'm so sorry.
Jen (02:18.545)
Yeah, the people blizzarded me is like, I'm so sorry. And they're like, are you okay? Are you okay? But later that day, was just like, wouldn't this nagging feeling wouldn't go away. Like, what the hell are you doing to yourself? Like I was just about 30 at this time. Like it was just before my 30th birthday. And I'm like, I'm not even 30. I'm sick. I have no energy. Like what is going on here? And it was just that wake up call I needed to reevaluate my life. Cause it wasn't just my business that was falling apart.
It was everything. I was in a toxic marriage. I had horrible friends. Like my whole life, everyone just kept, I remember everyone saying, you've got this picture perfect life. You got this picture perfect life. And I'm like, is there something wrong with me? Because I don't see it. Like I'm miserable. And I started looking at it going, that's because this isn't what I want. This is what everyone else wanted for me. Even my business. I wanted a business. But I started the business that I thought everyone else would approve of.
Ellyn Schinke (03:14.126)
Ugh.
Jen (03:15.023)
So even though I was so good at what I did, I absolutely hated it. And so after I decided after that moment, I actually walked away from everything, my marriage, my friends, my business. I just decided at 30, I am starting from scratch. Like if this is what life is like, I don't want it. I need something different. And so I started my personal development journey. And over that time, I discovered what mindset was, realized, oh my God.
Ellyn Schinke (03:33.464)
Yeah.
Jen (03:40.877)
This is why I got how I did, like how I burnt out, how I got where I was. And then I still wasn't making huge success. And then I happened, I say the universe stepped in and I won three free hypnosis sessions. And it was like this game changer for me. My first session was so eye opening. I learned that I had created a belief at only three days of age that I wasn't worthy and deserving of anything good in my life. Like Jen, you're not worthy of good things. I sacri...
sacrifice to everything. Anytime something good came along, I would push it away. I would sabotage it, including my business, including relationships. And that got me to where I was. But as soon as I started uncovering those beliefs, it was like my life changed. All of a sudden things got to be easy. That was another one of my big limiting beliefs was you can have a lot of success, but you have to work really, really hard and you have to sacrifice time and family and everyone else to do it. So I had been putting myself into this burnout, this
self-sacrifice into the situation I had because my beliefs were telling me that's the only way you can do it. Thankfully, I overcame that. Now, I have a successful business, very successful business. I work like 20, maybe 30 hours a week. I love what I do. I'm successful. I've manifested amazing things. My dream partner, a multi-million dollar home for free. Last year loan over 50,000 and unexpected cash like that's like...
just random money from outside, whatever. And that's what's normal for me now. I went from that burnout pushing, hustling 24 seven to get by to where life is just easy. Things just happen and things just come to me like it's meant to be.
Ellyn Schinke (05:25.192)
sitting here like this is going to be a really interesting conversation even just for me. So like I'm going to I'm going to immediately call out listeners right now because I know you guys are probably listening to this podcast and perhaps attracted to working with me because we have similar mindsets. So I'll tell you right now a lot of what you're saying I'm already like I don't I don't know if I'm comfortable with this I don't necessarily know that I believe in this this is not necessarily how my brain operates.
Like I don't know that I would be accepting of these things. Like I'm already feeling some of that come up in myself. So I'm like, this is going to be a really interesting conversation for me in a very good way. And I'm going to encourage all of you that are listening that are feeling that come up as well. Please for the love of God be open-minded because I brought Jen on here for a reason because she has something to offer that A, I don't and B might very well be what a lot of us need to hear. So I just felt like I needed to say that because I hear this.
don't particularly believe in manifesting. I definitely believe in mindset. I definitely believe that we have blocks. I literally have I am enough tattooed on my forearm. I got it put there a year ago because I 100 % know that that is a constant limiting belief for me. I also know that and I've said it in the past that I am someone who if it's not hard, it doesn't feel worth it. So it's like a lot of what you're saying I know is probably messaging I need to hear.
Jen (06:39.723)
you
Jen (06:43.863)
Mm.
Ellyn Schinke (06:51.202)
but I also resist it.
Jen (06:54.601)
Yeah, those are our triggers and our triggers are a sign that there's something going on. So if we're feeling jealous, if we're feeling defensive when someone says something, then that's a sign. Like if you see someone who has got like maybe they're...
Ellyn Schinke (06:56.492)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (07:04.385)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (07:09.346)
See, I wouldn't necessarily say it's jealousy or defensiveness for me. It's more like a, that's not for me.
Jen (07:15.666)
Yeah, and that's another way it can show up. And it's just, your brain is not computing that that's possible. And you're like, there's no way, like she's lying or, you know, she's not saying anything. And that's what, Yeah. And that's our brain because you have a program that's telling you that's not available to me. I can't believe that. And there's, so there's something in your brain that's saying, I can't believe that because I haven't seen proof. My brain has seen something else.
Ellyn Schinke (07:26.242)
Yeah, that resonates. I'm like, nah that's bullshit.
Ellyn Schinke (07:34.605)
Yeah.
Jen (07:44.658)
and it showed me, and I was the same way. Like my dad had a business growing up and he would be gone before I got up in the morning and most nights he wouldn't be home till by time I went to bed. So I had that same program. Like yeah, I can be super successful and I can make lots of money, but I have to work my ass off. And that's how I got to working 50, 60 hour weeks and burning out. It's because my brain said that's the only way of success.
Ellyn Schinke (07:46.753)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (07:54.318)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (08:00.334)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (08:06.52)
See, and I guess it's like, it's not the work for me that has ever been the problem. I enjoy the work. Like I am, and I know there's a lot of people like, for example, literally we were talking about before this, we had a very shitty dating experience last night.
There was a part of me, I got home, I just like laid in my bed and I literally posted an Instagram story yesterday about like not me staring out the window looking at the my like little water view, like, therapizing with chat GPT. So I'm laying on my bed, I'm therapizing with chat GPT. And I literally said to chat GPT last night, like, I understand my impulse to just want to go work. Because honestly, going and working and getting shit done is way easier than me sitting in this right now. I'm frustrated.
Jen (08:25.192)
you
Jen (08:32.361)
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Ellyn Schinke (08:51.086)
The frustration is turning into being upset. I'm getting back on dating apps, but also wondering like, what the hell's the point? Like it's, I think I know that at times my work ethic is an avoidance tactic and escapism tactic, but I also do genuinely enjoy the work and there's so much stuff I want to do. So it's not necessarily like the work that I, that I'm like have a problem with. It's more so the, has to be, it has to be hard.
Jen (09:02.864)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (09:21.078)
Like it's that stuff coming easy, like you, you know, manifesting, getting this, you know, 50 K or whatever of unexpected income. Like to me, I'm just like, that's fake. That doesn't happen. So it's not so much the work. It's more stuff like that, that I'm like super resistant to.
Jen (09:38.777)
Yeah. Yeah, and it's okay. Yeah. And it's okay to enjoy our work. Like I love my work and there's some weeks I work more than others. Like I genuinely love what I do. So to me, it doesn't feel like work, but I also know that I don't have to work 50, 60 hour weeks to be successful. I know that if I want to take a week or two off, money's still going to come in. I'm still going to have
Ellyn Schinke (09:42.516)
This is my therapy session, by the way, guys, just so you know.
Ellyn Schinke (09:49.102)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Jen (10:04.762)
things happen and work out. Like I don't have to earn it in a way. I don't have to earn it. I don't have to be worthy enough. I don't have to be good enough to bring this in. I'm good enough the way I am and the money can come in. And for you, I used to use it as an avoidance too. I was in a very toxic marriage. As long as I was working and hiding in my office, I didn't have to deal with that. I didn't have to deal with the emotions and deal with the things. Because if you're like, you had said one thing like, I have to go.
Ellyn Schinke (10:24.896)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jen (10:30.938)
work to avoid these emotions. But the thing is, is if we don't deal and work on
Ellyn Schinke (10:33.966)
Well, it wasn't necessarily I have to, was more than I want to. Like I feel more comfortable in the work than I feel, than I, it's not even that I feel in the emotions, because I actually, feel like I've got to the point where I'm very comfortable in my emotions. It was more so just like, I don't want to deal with this. Like this has already become, this has already monopolized my night and my week so much more than I want it to. And I almost just want to shut it down for a moment.
Jen (10:37.199)
Yeah.
Jen (10:45.445)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Jen (10:58.309)
Thank
Ellyn Schinke (11:00.61)
Like I don't want to sit in it anymore. So it wasn't even like a, have to run to my work to mask this. It's almost like the work feels more comforting.
Jen (11:04.965)
So you find comfort in the work, yeah. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with finding comfort, but if you're working a lot and you're not seeing the big results, like if you're working all these hours, but you're not seeing six figure, multi six figure revenue from it, that's where the disconnect is. Because if we're working, yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (11:12.641)
I do.
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (11:22.882)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (11:28.47)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, let's talk about that. I'm interested in that because that resonates.
Jen (11:34.338)
Yeah, so if you're working all these hours and you have these big goals, but you're still not getting them, there's something going on there. It's because it's not a lack of work, because you know what you need to do work wise. Like, you know exact strategies. Most of us do. We know exactly what we need to do to be successful. So why is it we're doing the things and not being successful? Why are we not getting that end result? But it's the things we're doing. Like, are we holding ourselves back? Are we authentically being ourselves? Are we saying the things we truly want to say?
Ellyn Schinke (11:43.608)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jen (12:03.402)
Or are we like quieting ourselves down? Are we mellowing ourselves out, not saying what's truly on our mind? Or are we procrastinating on things we know we need to do? Like, we know, I was speaking. Yeah, procrastination is one of the biggest signs you have a limiting belief because if we know what we need to do, we know how we need to do it, but if we're not doing it, that's telling us. I was speaking with a client about this the other day. She has all these people that want quotes from her. She has these big contracts.
Ellyn Schinke (12:14.028)
procrastinating hits.
Jen (12:33.109)
And all these people are saying, we want to work with you, send us your quotes. And these are like multiple five-figure quotes. And she hasn't sent them out because she's scared. There's a limited belief in there that's saying, like, I can't do this. Who am I to do this? So there's always that story, something going on inside of us that is saying, and procrastination is a fear response. It keeps us safe.
Ellyn Schinke (12:45.742)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (12:57.004)
Yeah. Can I give you a more subtle example though? Because I feel like for me, it never shows up quite like that. Like to me, that would be an obvious of like, why am I avoiding this? perhaps I'm just a really self-aware person because I've been on a personal growth journey for about 10 years now. But like, I feel like for me, the ways in which the procrastination and the self-sabotage or the whatever you want to call it, they...
Jen (13:04.342)
Yes.
Ellyn Schinke (13:20.876)
They show up in much subtler ways. So like, for example, I'm a big past data person. Like you mentioned before something about like you need proof and I'm just like, hi, yeah, that's me. But I also a former scientist. So I feel like I just operate from the perspective of I need data to inform my decisions and my past data. We're going to be very raw and real here guys, because actually everybody I tell this to, they're very surprised by it. This year has been a shit year for me in my business. It's been one of my worst starts to my year in business in several years. It's been terrible.
Jen (13:37.121)
you
Ellyn Schinke (13:51.24)
And it's not so much that the people who reach out to me and the people who schedule calls with me and whatnot, it's not that I'm ignoring them. It's that I've had multiple people come back and say, your rates are too high or I want to work with you, just not right now. Like it's the feedback that I am getting has not so much been about me not following up and not doing the work to bring in the client, but has been pushed back from the client.
Jen (14:07.936)
.
Ellyn Schinke (14:19.574)
And that's just, it's been kind of a cycle for me of frustration. And I've been making a lot of changes in my business to kind of just like meet my people where they're at. Like it's happened enough times that I'm kind of aware that it is, okay, maybe it's not a them thing. Maybe it's a me thing. And maybe I need to change my structure of my business to meet them more so where they're at. But it's been this past data over the course of the year of I, I feel like I'm showing up, but I'm not getting the results.
So like I hear what you're saying and I absolutely think that happens to a lot of us, but I also feel like for some of us, we're doing the things that we need to do and the circumstances of life are not meeting us with what we deserve for the effort we're putting in. So is that some sort of a representation of a limiting belief? Like how does that fit into the scenario? Do you see what I mean?
Jen (15:07.69)
Yeah, so.
Where I recognize this and I've seen this in myself and my clients too is you're maybe talking to To the client in your social media or in your advertising or in your messaging that can't afford it So you're attracting those type of people to you So rather than attracting somebody who is making the money who could afford you and could do these things you're bringing in that wrong ideal client because
Ellyn Schinke (15:21.763)
Yes.
Yes.
Ellyn Schinke (15:33.39)
I agree with that, but what's the limiting belief there?
Jen (15:35.994)
There's usually something around that worth piece like, people like more successful people wouldn't want to work with me. Who am I to teach this to them? Like there's usually something around that is and that's where hypnosis is helpful because we can literally just ask your brain like in hypnosis, it's a matter of we get you in there and we go, hey, why can't Ellen, why is she not selling to who she wants to sell to? Why is she not attracting high end clients? What's that block there? Because it could be anything. It could be something as simple as
Ellyn Schinke (16:03.052)
Yeah.
Jen (16:04.869)
well, I don't feel I'm successful enough. Or it could be something where, well, who am I to teach this? And they make more money. Some people it's like, but they're more successful than me. So who am I to teach them? Something simple as that.
Ellyn Schinke (16:11.096)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (16:17.966)
I mean, that resonates a bit, but I also am kind of like the aha that I had about a month ago. This is literally like a therapy session for me. I mean, I hope you're okay with this. The aha I had like a month ago was I actually felt like, for lack of better way to say it, I was poo-pooing the people that I actually enjoyed working with. I love working with solopreneurs. Solopreneurs have my heart because I am a solopreneur. built the majority of my business, I built part-time.
Jen (16:26.845)
Oh, of course.
Ellyn Schinke (16:46.142)
That's kind of where my heart is, is in serving that person. And yet I was kind of poo-pooing them and feeling like I should serve this higher level business owner who's making six, seven, eight figures. And I tried to do that for literally like a month. And I was just like, I don't like this. And part of it was, yes, because they were so beyond me in business. I, and yeah, sure, there was probably a some imposter syndrome there, but I also just felt like I don't
Jen (16:47.036)
.
Ellyn Schinke (17:15.806)
relate to you. I don't even know how to help you because I don't relate to you. I relate to these people. And so I switched back to serving solopreneurs and really rejigging like my entire business to serve them more. So it's like there's definitely imposter syndrome there, sure. But I also feel like there was a little bit of trying to force
a business that I didn't actually want and that I felt like I should want. Kind of like what you said before, you built a business for other people and not for yourself and the business you should build. I kind of felt like I was doing that and it never felt right. So there was like a little bit of both.
Jen (17:51.37)
So why do you feel? Yeah.
So why did you feel you had to switch then? If you were happy with where you were, what made you think you had to switch?
Ellyn Schinke (18:01.162)
It wasn't even that I was quote unquote happy with where I was. The way I interpreted it is, okay, the people can't pay my rates. Therefore I am targeting the wrong entrepreneurs. I'm going to target these entrepreneurs. And I, the more I thought about it, I was just like, but I don't want to target those entrepreneurs. I want to target these entrepreneurs. So like I, I changed my business because I felt like I should. I felt like the people that I was speaking to was the problem.
Jen (18:20.495)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (18:28.738)
But the fact of the matter, and yes, perhaps it was, but also I think there was a part of me that was just like, no, I actually think that is the right person to speak to. I think my business model is actually what's wrong.
Jen (18:39.995)
Or it's how you're speaking to them. So you're calling in the people that you're calling them in in a way that's putting them in that victim mindset. So when they come to you, all they can feel is that victim. And I can't do this. I can't do that. Instead, you can call in those solopreneurs who are more elevated, who are more, I can do this. Maybe they're not as successful. Maybe they're still only making a couple thousand a month.
Ellyn Schinke (18:43.427)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (18:52.579)
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Ellyn Schinke (19:03.139)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (19:05.528)
but you're calling the people in that are willing to invest in themselves. No, they have to invest in themselves, are willing to spend money on themselves. So there's those two different mindsets. So it depends on who you're speaking to, but we also speak to people from where we're at. So I'm not saying you're in that rip to me mentality, but there's maybe something coming out of you that's speaking to those people because you're saying, I'm not worthy of taking on these clients or I'm not worthy of it being easy or it can't be easy for me. So I'm gonna attract.
Ellyn Schinke (19:14.136)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (19:19.0)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (19:24.973)
Yeah.
Jen (19:33.539)
people that I have to really sell and really talk into working with me rather than promoting myself in a way that makes people go, yes, Ellen's my person, where do I pay? Send me the link.
Ellyn Schinke (19:44.76)
You know what, think, quote, I don't know this is a limiting belief, but I definitely think it's a self-sabotaging belief. I don't necessarily know what the language is around what is and is not a limiting belief, but the thought process, thought I just had that came up is honestly my thoughts and feelings about the coaching industry, which this is, I did not think I was going to talk about this on a podcast guys, because I essentially am like villainizing myself because I am associated with the coaching industry. But let's be honest, there's a lot of shady people in the coaching industry.
Jen (20:00.376)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (20:11.598)
And I think I've encountered some of them in the time that I've been in the coaching industry. And I think the realization I have, and it's funny because the rational part of my brain knows that this isn't true, but the rational part of the brain is also the part of the brain we are not talking about right now. The rational part of my brain knows this isn't true, but the irrational part of my brain, the emotional part of my brain, the part that is latching onto these limiting beliefs is I do not want to be associated with that. I do not want to be the person who takes advantage of baby entrepreneurs who
Jen (20:20.484)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (20:32.28)
.
Ellyn Schinke (20:41.588)
shouldn't be paying for these high ticket things. Like, I'm sorry, if you're a baby entrepreneur, yes, you need to invest in your business at some point, but I don't think baby entrepreneurs should be making these multi four or five figure investments in your business. Like figure out what your business is first. So it's like, have my qualms with the coaching industry and how I think the coaching industry takes advantage of these baby entrepreneurs.
And maybe that's the belief that self-sabotaging me in the grand scheme of all of this is I don't want to be associated with that.
Jen (21:16.819)
Yeah, because you said it consciously your brain knows this isn't true But when it comes to our brain only five percent of our decisions come from conscious thought So how we operate how we show up the things we say the things we do come from our subconscious was just 95 % That's like our autopilot
Ellyn Schinke (21:34.2)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jen (21:35.53)
So I like to compare it so if you drive, if you're someone who drives, you know those moments where you're driving and all of sudden you're like, how did I get here? It's like you zone out. Those are like your subconscious mind. Those are actually hypnotic states. You're zoning out and your subconscious is taking over. And cause it's like that autopilot. It's the part to get your heart breathing. It's why you.
Breathe it's like those zone out moments where you zone out and you're like, okay what just happened? That's your subconscious just taking over you're in such a relaxed calm state that your brains like I'm just gonna take over we don't need to be consciously thinking we don't need to be making decisions. So your brain just takes over so we're
Ellyn Schinke (22:14.988)
Is that different than flow? Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I didn't want to forget that question.
Jen (22:19.557)
I don't know, flow can be whatever, know, what it's it's I guess you could say it's similar. I've never
Ellyn Schinke (22:25.142)
It's okay if you don't know either. I was just immediately where my brain went because I've been thinking a lot about flow recently. Yeah.
Jen (22:29.877)
Yeah, and it can be because it is it's like that you're just so into it and you're just so it's like so natural that you just Get into this state where it just comes and it's just easy and so with our subconscious It's an it's like controls 95 % So if you have this subconscious belief that says, you know what the coaching industry is like like not cheesy, what's the right thing you like AP and
Ellyn Schinke (22:40.544)
Yeah.
Jen (22:55.73)
gross and there's all these people taking advantage. If you have that belief in the back of your mind, then you could sell sabotage going, I don't want to be that person. I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to talk this way. And so then you would sell sabotage yourself because you don't want to be like them.
Ellyn Schinke (22:57.549)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (23:11.19)
Yeah. And I've been like sitting on releasing offers, like the one I'm literally launching next week as we have this conversation because I have that belief. I think what it does to me is it makes me overly perfectionistic when I'm putting something out into the world and I sit on it. Like I'm actually not perfectionistic in a lot of parts of my life and in my business. Like I will literally put out the most imperfect YouTube video podcast, like piece of content, whatever. Like I just
I don't, imperfect story, but when it comes to something that I'm asking somebody to give me money for, there's a part of me that feels like it has to be perfect or I don't have the right to charge them for it. Or at least needs to be like really fucking good or I do not have the right to charge them for it.
Jen (23:49.881)
Yeah, and perfect Yes Yeah, so perfectionism is in the same bucket as procrastination as a sign that we have a limiting belief So it shows up differently in each of us some of its perfectionism some of its procrastination some of its anxiety Some people get really bad anxiety. So each of us kind of have a way and everyone can show up differently as well. So
Ellyn Schinke (23:59.586)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (24:10.382)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (24:14.716)
there's a reason you're sitting on all these things. Because you say, I've created all these things and I'm sitting on them. And that's a sign that something's going on because business shouldn't be that hard making these decisions. Like you probably built these programs because you absolutely love them. And you're like, my God, this is amazing. And this is how.
Ellyn Schinke (24:30.666)
Obsessed. It's going to be amazing. I'm so excited about it. yeah.
Jen (24:35.952)
Yeah, but you're sitting on it. So you're actually not just self-sabotaging yourself, but you're sabotaging other women or other people you could help with these offers. So in a way by you holding yourself back, there's a woman out there whose life you could change with that program and you're not because you're stuck in some sort of limiting belief loop that is holding you back from putting it out. So it's not even about the money.
Ellyn Schinke (24:54.186)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (24:59.374)
So I just brought Jen in today to pep talk me. That's what this podcast is. No, like actually that made me tear up a little bit because you're right. You're absolutely right. Okay, we're gonna pull back from focusing on me even though that was wonderful and thank you. And I feel like I just got a 20 minute pep talk that I needed. So thank you. I mean, I feel like I'm...
Maybe an abnormally self-aware person. feel like I have, spend a lot of time thinking about why do I do this? Like human behavior fascinates me. For the people who aren't like that, what are the avenues that they can take to figure out what, like some of these like mindsets and things and like, well, why did you make this decision? I was pretty readily able to answer a lot of it. And I'm not saying that there aren't, there aren't things that I haven't figured out yet, but like for the people who aren't like that, what are some avenues and some paths that they can code down that can help reveal some of these things to them?
Jen (25:52.285)
Yeah, so of course I'm Yeah, like I'm gonna say of course hypnosis is my favorite because that's my favorite thing it changed my life It changes my clients life. So I like it because it's easy. It's literally you get in a nice relaxed hypnotic state
Ellyn Schinke (25:53.112)
some of these mindsets, whatever.
Ellyn Schinke (25:58.221)
Yeah.
Jen (26:05.486)
And you just ask your mind, like, why is Ellen not putting this stuff out? That's all we had to do is just be like, why is Ellen afraid to put these programs out? What's stopping her? And your mind just tells us immediately, it's because of this belief. But if you're not quite ready to take that step, it's just being quiet with yourself, noticing these things. Like you said, you're self-aware. So it's like, if you find yourself feeling, I always say like, if you feel yourself tensing up or feeling angry or any kind of negative emotion or you're feeling tightness in your body.
start paying attention to those things and just asking yourself, like, why am I feeling this? Or if it's like, you know, we all get those like gut feelings, like, ugh, it feels just gross and I'm just like, just tune into that and just like pay attention and just like, why am I feeling this way? What is that emotion? What's happening? Or paying attention to those negative thoughts. Like, what are those negative things you're saying? Like, I'm not good enough. I'm not smart enough. I can't do that. It's just paying attention to those negative thoughts and feelings.
Ellyn Schinke (26:34.477)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (26:38.21)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (26:45.56)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (26:56.941)
Yeah.
Jen (27:03.436)
And when you do, you'll start noticing subtleties and you'll start noticing patterns that can start giving you a window into what's actually going on in your mind.
Ellyn Schinke (27:08.014)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
love the second one. The second one you said is what I do. And for me, it takes the form of I'm actually not that great of a meditator anymore. I was like a religious meditator for years. I need to get back to it. I tend to do it in my bed and then fall asleep. Real talk.
Jen (27:16.736)
Mm.
Ellyn Schinke (27:29.89)
But like I used to meditate and then I would journal right after I meditated because it's like I just needed to dig into a little bit more of whatever came up in meditation. But actually now what I do and perhaps actually this coincides with I took a mindfulness based stress reduction class. God was that that was like two years ago now. Holy crap. Okay. I took this mindfulness based stress reduction class and we talked about other forms of mindfulness beyond like meditation. And I actually find a lot of mindfulness in
Jen (27:33.293)
you
Jen (27:44.109)
Okay.
Ellyn Schinke (27:58.42)
walking. Like I'll even be listening to music. actually like, I think this happens better when I'm either not listening to anything or listening to music. If I'm listening to a podcast, I'm like synthesizing what I'm hearing. But if I'm listening to like music that I'm super familiar with, my mind's better able to wander the shit that has come out of just walking. I don't even know what it is about like the movement piece.
Jen (28:07.436)
.
Ellyn Schinke (28:21.184)
with the like giving my brain some space to like work through stuff. Yeah, so I love that you said that one. What about the people who are like, because I below, I'm like, my inner commentary is basically the questions that I'm asking you today. What about the people who are just like, hypnosis actually kind of scares me a little bit.
Jen (28:37.374)
Yeah, and that's because of those stage shows. We've all probably seen them or heard about them. And that was my only experience before I had done, because there's difference between stage hypnosis and clinical hypnosis. So I in college was on the stage clucking like a chicken, doing all that craziness. But the thing is...
Ellyn Schinke (28:42.718)
huh.
Ellyn Schinke (28:48.056)
Okay.
Ellyn Schinke (28:53.678)
I do not like being out of control. So like, I see that and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
Jen (29:00.308)
And that's the thing is you can't even in those stage shows. So when they came to my college town, I drug some friends with me and I drug one of my friends up on stage and I'm like, you are doing this with me. We are doing this and she's like you, she's like, no, because of that she can't be hypnotized because even in hypnosis, we still have free will. We still have all of that stuff going on. because she, because of that, I'm just as outgoing, let's do it. It's okay if I make an ass of myself type person. So I let them hit
Ellyn Schinke (29:19.778)
Okay.
Jen (29:30.027)
It was like all good, but my friends like nope, so she couldn't and they're like, nope You're not hypnotized get out of here and I had fun and it was great But to me that was my experience whereas clinical hypnosis is a different story. So think of it like Therapy on steroids is what I like to say. So What we're doing is instead of rehashing those same stories over and over and over again and like ask me those questions.
Ellyn Schinke (29:34.039)
Nope.
Ellyn Schinke (29:39.626)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (29:46.414)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (29:52.418)
Mm-hmm.
Jen (29:54.696)
going in once and just going to the root because our subconscious has all of our memories. Like consciously, we have a very small long-term and short-term memory available to us. Like it's a very small percentage, but it doesn't mean that we don't remember these things. Our subconscious is like a hard drive of a computer. It remembers everything, all of our programs. based off of, yeah, so think of it like your life is a computer screen and your subconscious is the computer box.
Ellyn Schinke (30:14.466)
That's a good analogy.
Jen (30:22.171)
So all the things you've experienced up until this point in your life, especially those first six years. So the first six years, we don't have rational thought, we don't have cause and effect thinking. The way children learn up to the age of six is they're like sponges. They just absorb everything they see and hear going on around them. But they absorb it as they hear it because we don't have rational thoughts. So you can hear someone say something like, I can't believe how stupid you were.
because you did something stupid. Like say you touched the stove and your parent goes, I can't believe how stupid you are to touch that. As a child, we don't go, they call me stupid because I touched the stove. All they hear is you are stupid. And they put that inside their brain and they hold onto that and they keep building on that. And then once our brain takes out our subconscious, we look for evidence. So then maybe someone said, you're stupid later on in life.
There could have been a million other times someone said, look how smart you are. We don't latch onto that. The subconscious latches onto you're stupid and you go, see, I am stupid. And then it happens again five years later, see, I am stupid. And you're just reinforcing that belief and reinforcing that belief till that's part of your identity. because of all this stuff, we don't remember, but the subconscious does. so hypnosis is like going into that hard drive and searching through it and finding those viruses we don't want and pulling them out and going, no,
Ellyn Schinke (31:29.23)
Holy shit.
Jen (31:43.366)
We don't believe this anymore. Erase it.
Ellyn Schinke (31:45.166)
Can it pull them out? Because I always thought of hypnosis, I keep interrupting you, I'm so sorry, but does it pull them out though? Because I always thought of hypnosis as like the thing that helps you identify them, but hypnosis can actually help you like get that shit out of your brain.
Jen (31:49.585)
no, go for it!
Jen (32:00.717)
That's the exact point of it. So with my session, so the first thing we do is we uncover it. So you literally tell me, Jen, I'm, you know what, I'm a perfectionist. I have these programs. I want to put them out, but I'm not, and I'm perfectionizing on it. So we just ask your brain, okay, why is Ellen doing this? And it could be say that, you know what you heard, well, when I was three years old, I heard that I was stupid and I believed that. then
Ellyn Schinke (32:21.868)
You want to know what it was for me? I'll give you a very real example. I thought that my first experience with somebody, people have heard this from me before, I think. And if I haven't, inside into Ellen Psyche. I'm pretty sure, I always used to think that the first time somebody in my family commented on my weight was when I was a preteen. My grandma, I have a vivid memory of my great grandma. I was changing into my bathing suit at her little, she like lived in a like.
Jen (32:41.253)
Mm.
Ellyn Schinke (32:48.558)
trailer, like assisted living facility where they all had these like trailers that were like next to each other. And they had a pool. So we always used to go there in the summer. And I have a vivid memory of me changing into my bathing suit and her telling me I was fat. Vivid memory of it. I always thought that that was the first moment that I heard that. But actually, and I know this isn't a subconscious memory. It is like literally a memory of we used to record Christmas every single year. So we have Christmas videos of me like nine months old to last year.
Jen (32:59.524)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (33:18.828)
We record Christmas every single year and we have a video of me, I'm a toddler, I think. And I was a stereotypical kid, Santa's Christmas cookies. There were some cookies left on that plate Christmas morning. And what did Ellen do? She did not give a shit about the present. She plopped down in front of the Christmas cookies, put her hands on either side of the plate and looked up at my mom and dad like, can I? Can I? And my mom said in that video, she's gonna be a porker.
Like as a joke.
Jen (33:49.401)
Yep. But you could have internalized that and then later on in life, it's hard to lose weight and it's hard to get healthy and it's hard to get to the body you want because you have that belief and so then you keep carrying that. I had a similar thing but mine it was a safety issue. I had some issues with
Ellyn Schinke (33:51.64)
But like.
Ellyn Schinke (34:00.526)
This is blowing my mind.
Jen (34:08.866)
Developing too soon some molestation in my family things like that So because of it my body was like it's not safe to be skinny So I started putting on weight and every time I tried to lose the weight my body's like no It's not safe and I put the weight back on I would sell stepdosh I would binge eat I would get sugar cravings and it would just keep going back because it was my body Keeping me safe. So same thing your body could be like no, I'm meant to be chubby. I'll always be chubby
Ellyn Schinke (34:18.188)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (34:23.725)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. I've never seen myself as skinny, even when I'll drop 30 pounds and I still like the body dysmorphia has its claws in me so deep that I could lose 30 pounds and I still wouldn't see myself as skinny.
Jen (34:47.203)
Yeah, and I felt the same way. I had to do hypnosis. I had to get a colleague to do hypnosis on myself in order to actually finally see myself skinny because I had dieted down to a size four and still thought I was fat. And then I ended up gaining the weight right back because I got into a toxic relationship which further reinforced the fear of it's not safe to be skinny. See what you attracted. And then I put the weight right back on again. And it wasn't until I dealt with those inner...
Ellyn Schinke (34:59.608)
Damn.
Jen (35:13.247)
systems that I found I was able to lose the weight and leave the weight off and be comfortable in my body and look at my body even now I'm not a size four anymore but I can look at myself in my little bit of love handles my little bit of a belly and be like man I'm fucking hot this is awesome like this is great I'm 41 years old and I walk around in a bikini and I wouldn't wear one when I was a size four in my 20s
Ellyn Schinke (35:21.048)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (35:30.295)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (35:35.254)
I'm like fucking fascinated right now. Also, please hypnotize me and reprogram my entire brain because there's some shit rattling around there that we just need to. Yeah. Yeah. my God. I'm kind of in the thing that I love about this is I always say that there's three pillars that we need to become burnout proof. You need sustainable systems. I'm a systems nerd. I'll talk about that all day every day. You need sustainable self care. We need to find ways to approach our self care that doesn't become another like massive like
Jen (35:37.603)
Thank
Ellyn Schinke (36:05.23)
20,000 item to-do list, but we need a sustainable mindset. And I feel like up until this point in my life, I'll be completely honest in saying I think there's a lot of things we can do from the mindset perspective that are incredibly tangible, incredibly enlightening, give us tremendous self-awareness, but there's a lot of shit about mindset that sometimes I still to this day feel like I have to just strong arm my way through. And I feel like what you're telling us is through hypnosis,
Jen (36:08.246)
Thank
Jen (36:27.19)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (36:32.99)
You don't have to strong arm your way through this shit anymore.
Jen (36:37.061)
No, I'm about making things easy. am like, give me the easy button. I am what you call like a lazy entrepreneur and I'm okay with that title because I'm...
Ellyn Schinke (36:46.962)
I like systems people think you're such a hard worker and I am but I'm like systems make my life easy I am the laziest productive person ever sorry continue
Jen (36:55.165)
Yeah, and I'm the same way. I know people that spend half an hour to an hour every morning on their mindset. People tell me this, but I'm spending all this time and I'm meditating and I'm journaling and I'm like, I spend like maybe 15, 20 minutes a day on my mindset. Because I want it to be easy. I don't want people to be struggling. This isn't something that should take over your life. This is something that should be simple. For me, most of time I incorporate in the things I'm already doing.
Ellyn Schinke (37:08.824)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jen (37:21.352)
You said you like to meditate while you walk. I feel the same way. Like when I'm walking, I always feel so good. Like that's when I can just get into that zone and chill with like good music. Sometimes I even listen to my hypnosis audios without being like, I just listened to them in the background and I get into that calm. Or for me, like the shower or the bath is one of my favorite things. Like when I shower in the morning, I get some of my best ideas. Cause it's just like, I take that time to just chill and I'm just, yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (37:40.657)
Ellyn Schinke (37:46.382)
I love baths. You have hypnosis audios that I can listen to in baths.
Jen (37:51.155)
I listen to them everywhere. you don't, that's the thing.
Ellyn Schinke (37:53.759)
We're putting that shit in the show notes. Is it in your shop? Is it a freebie? Like, how do we get it?
Jen (37:59.794)
I do, have a free bundle with subliminal audios and a full hypnosis bundle on wealth building on like removing your blocks around wealth. So if you guys want to try it out, I do have a free bundle. So yeah. Yeah, because you, you, you really could do it in the bath because you're not, that's the thing with hypnosis. You're not out of it. You're not forgetful. You're not like, you're literally.
Ellyn Schinke (38:10.094)
is going in the show notes. Scroll down guys, it's in the show notes. I'm getting it from her because I'm gonna download it.
Jen (38:24.666)
in a just more relaxed state. So you're consciously aware of everything that's going on. You're listening. You're not out of it. So you can do it anywhere. I don't recommend it while driving because you you want to be paying attention. But I've had clients that listen while they're out doing their like walking their dog or walking in nature, just listening to it. And it's still, I mean, it doesn't go as deep as you would if you're closing your eyes and really going into it. But you can listen, even just listening to the subliminals.
Ellyn Schinke (38:35.502)
Fair.
Ellyn Schinke (38:48.685)
Yeah.
Jen (38:51.823)
in their programming your mind, giving you these new belief systems. We just naturally enjoy being in that state. So the more often you teach, I've literally taught my body to go in that state naturally just because I want. Like in the morning when I'm having my shower, my mornings are so relaxed. I wake up and I put on a hypnosis audio, I listen to it while the shower's warming up, then I crawl in the shower and my brain is like.
Ellyn Schinke (38:52.419)
Yeah.
Jen (39:15.355)
You want ideas, Jen? You've been thinking about this thing? You've been having an issue? Here's all your answers. And I can just literally lay there. And I always keep my phone right outside the shower because sometimes I get the best ideas and I just have to write it down quickly. And it's just the best way.
Ellyn Schinke (39:28.606)
I had a friend, you know what she did? She had a whiteboard in her shower. Like the opposite side, she'd put a whiteboard there and she'd anything she'd think of. She'd be like, whoop.
Jen (39:32.861)
I've thought about that.
Jen (39:38.981)
I know and I keep meaning to do that. just yeah for now I just keep my phone there and I literally pop my head out and I start I have a big stand up walk-in shower so for me just setting it outside there's no chance of it like falling but yeah and it's just like my brain just naturally is in this calm state and it's like receptive and easy and it's just throughout the day and and and that's where I want other women to be is like you don't have to be in that hustle and
Ellyn Schinke (39:43.832)
I don't trust myself. I would drop that shit in the shower immediately.
Ellyn Schinke (39:52.962)
There you go, okay.
Jen (40:08.216)
struggle all the time, it does get to be easy. You get to be calm and chill and relaxed and mindset and this work doesn't have to take you hours. Like when I hear mindset, other mindset coaches are like, well you have to have a morning routine and you have to do this and you have to do this and you have to do this. And I'm like, no, that's bullshit. Like you have to do what feels good to you. Exactly. Like you need to work on your mindset, but do it when it feels good to you. And it doesn't have to be half an hour, an hour.
Ellyn Schinke (40:27.886)
I think you should only have a morning routine if you want to have a morning routine.
Jen (40:38.104)
It can be five minutes of thoughtfulness. can be, you know, in the morning, my simple routine, I wake up in the morning, I lay in bed and I just think, what am I grateful for? I do a bit of visualization because when you first wake up in the morning, you're actually in the same brain wave you are when you're in hypnosis. So as you're waking up and as you're falling asleep and you're in that groggy state, you're in that hypnotic state. Yeah, so anything you think of. So if you start worrying about the day ahead, as soon as you wake up, you're programming that into your mind to worry, to stress, to struggle.
Ellyn Schinke (40:55.818)
Is that why they say you shouldn't get on your phone in the morning?
Jen (41:07.098)
So as soon as I start waking up in the morning, I just lay there and I think about like what an amazing day I'm gonna have, the things that I wanna manifest, the clients I wanna call in, all these things. And I just lay there for five, 10 minutes, do that. And then I turn on the shower, I'll maybe do a hypnosis audio for myself, there are like 10, 12 minutes, listen to that while the shower's warming up. Then I get in the shower and I go about my day. And if I feel like throughout the day I'm like feeling stressed or struggling, I'll take five minutes and just like.
journal or sit quietly or do whatever feels good in the moment and then I get on with my day again. And then in the evening I usually do gratitude as I'm laying in bed, you know, falling asleep. I'm just thinking about, you know, what happened today that I'm happy about or what am I grateful for in my life? And that's my simple routine. It's not rigid or structured or anything because that's not who I am.
Ellyn Schinke (42:01.646)
Wow, okay. I feel like the, I have so many different things I wanna ask right now. I'm organizing them in my brain. First of all, I know you work with clients one-on-one to do this work. Do you do group hypnosis? Again, asking selfishly because the program I'm launching, I actually think I wanna bring you in. Like, does group hypnosis, is that a thing?
Jen (42:25.461)
It is and self hypnosis. So I have a membership, which is a library full of self hypnosis audios where you can go in and like, I haven't. Yeah, I have imposter syndrome. So you go in and you listen to, I, we have what we call a long hypnosis and a short hypnosis. So the long one is where we uncovered the belief system. So we go in there and go, Ellen, what is, why do you have imposter syndrome? What happened in your life? Take us back to that moment. You created that belief and then.
Ellyn Schinke (42:32.321)
That was going to be my next question. Go ahead, continue.
Jen (42:51.341)
we go in and we uncover the belief and where it came from and we allow you that opportunity to be like, nope, done with this. Then we remove it. And then we reprogram your mind at the end of the long one with all these new belief systems. And then those new belief system portion at the end is also its own little audio that you listen to each day. Those are the short ones that I said are 10, 12 minutes that I listen to. And then you do that for a month. I recommend each one you listen for at least 21 days to get that fully programmed and reprogram your mind. And then you go back in and you go,
Okay, now new month has happened, where am I struggling? You go in and you find a new hypnosis and you dive in and you just keep working through it. And anytime you feel like you're struggling, you just go find an audio, you listen, you work through it you move on with life.
Ellyn Schinke (43:35.788)
I love how you just answered all of my questions without me needing to ask. was going to, you do one-on-one. I'm going to bring you into the future programs that you can do group hypnosis. Also, spoiler alert, my ADHD kicked in and I went to your Instagram and I already signed up for your bundle of free hypnosis audios. I almost said hypnosis-ies, which is probably not a word, but it's fine. Because I'm to listen to them on my walk. It's going to be great.
Jen (43:58.005)
Thank
Ellyn Schinke (44:03.682)
And then yeah, and then the self-hypnosis. That's literally all of the questions that I gonna ask. I love this so much. So I assume that if you were to like send anybody anywhere right now, you would send them to get the free bundles.
Jen (44:18.517)
Yeah, the free bundle or even my membership right now I've got it. It's 50 % off for your first month. And anyone who listens to this, if you send me a message afterwards, I'll even give you guys a free mini hypnosis, custom hypnosis. I have a special going on until tomorrow. Actually today it ends, but for your listeners, if they hear this and they get back to me say by middle of June and say, I signed up and I heard you through Ellen's.
Ellyn Schinke (44:21.506)
Even your membership, okay.
Jen (44:45.641)
I'll do a custom mini hypnosis audio for you. So the great thing about the custom one is we use your specific beliefs. So say you do the imposter syndrome bundle, the self hypnosis, you come to me and say, okay, I've removed it. Now these are the exact beliefs. This is how we want to feel. This is how I'm going to show up in my business if this is gone. And you literally tell me exactly what you want to, the person you want to be and how you want to act and feel. And I program that into a hypnosis audio and give it to you. So we're giving you your exact beliefs you want.
Ellyn Schinke (44:48.695)
Love that.
Ellyn Schinke (45:03.182)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (45:13.858)
that you guys she's got a special thing for you if y'all don't flood her inbox i'm be mad just kidding i'm not gonna be mad i love you but go take advantage of it do it i love that
Jen (45:14.836)
So that's it.
Jen (45:21.116)
Yeah, because that's normally $50.
Yeah, if you guys are struggling, this is the way and it's yeah, so it's 50 bucks for your first month $99 a month after that us and it's cheap It's reasonable and you get group coaching calls you get a community you get my Manifesting course which literally walks you through step by step Using it's just to me manifestation is about self-worth and limiting belief. So I see manifestation of as Attracting to you what you feel worthy and deserving of so the more you work on that inner self-worth the more you work on
what you're worthy and deserving of, removing those limiting beliefs, the more you can easily call into your life. So my course is all about how to do that. Removing the limiting beliefs is step one. Then it's about acting as the person who is more successful. How would Ellen, who's making six figures, show up? How would Ellen, who has an amazing partner, who loves her, how would she show up in the dating world? And then it's about taking those aligned action, listening for the intuitive nudges, learning to listen to things that say no, things that say yes.
And it literally walks you through my manifestation process and how I manifested my dream partner, a multimillion dollar home. Like literally I live in a $1.5 million home I got for free. And last year, 50 plus, 50 K plus in just unexpected cash. And that's what happens when you work with your mindset, remove those living beliefs. The world is your oyster.
Ellyn Schinke (46:48.344)
Wow. You know, it's could you tell as we were having this conversation how resistant Ellen at the beginning of this conversation was to how how she is now? Could you tell? Because I feel it.
Jen (47:00.498)
Yeah, I feel the resistance. Yeah, it was working through you. You're like, your brain, and that's the thing is our brains can be, it's our conscious brain is resistant. That's why you have to dig into the subconscious. Cause our conscious brain's job is to keep us safe. And safety means not changing. We don't like change. We don't like new. We want status quo. And that's why someone's being an entrepreneur is hard because entrepreneurship is about change and exploring.
Ellyn Schinke (47:07.885)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (47:14.103)
Yeah.
Ellyn Schinke (47:19.651)
Mm-hmm.
Ellyn Schinke (47:25.26)
It's literally all change.
Jen (47:26.68)
Yeah, and it's scary and our brain doesn't like scary. So our brain goes, uh-uh, beep beep, back up the bus, stop this red flag, like we're changing, I don't like change. Whereas when you reprogram the subconscious, like you reprogram a computer, all of a sudden your brain just goes, well that's what we want now and that's not new and scary, that's a part of our program, so we're okay with it now. Now go ahead, Ellen, do all you, do that thing you wanted to do because it's safe now and I'll let you do it.
Ellyn Schinke (47:51.906)
Yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay. I feel like I've just, this has been like a big exhale for me, especially coming from my lovely dating night last night. So I appreciate this so much. where can people like, we already talked about kind of great ways for them to get started with you, but where can people find you if they want to get into your world? They want to check out this membership. They want to get the bundle. Where, should they find you?
Jen (48:15.142)
Yeah, the best place is Instagram. That's where I hang out the most and you can find me at hypnotherapist underscore Jen and I'd love to chat with you guys and feel free to Yeah, and feel free to send me a message. I love chatting with people. So send me a message You know what if you're struggling with something or you have questions send them to me. I'm there to answer anything I am an open book. I am easy to talk to and I want you guys to feel open
Ellyn Schinke (48:22.446)
and I'll put the links down below, guys.
Ellyn Schinke (48:40.654)
Love that. Okay. So Instagram will put all the links below even to her bundle and to her, your membership too. I don't know if that was a link you gave me, but I'll follow up with you about getting a link to that so that people can check that out if they want to. Thank you so much for this. I feel like I got like custom Ellen mindset coaching slash therapy for the first 20, 30 minutes of our conversation. And then just beautiful insights and nuggets.
after that. So thank you so much. Thank you for your patience through all of our lovely tech issues. Everybody check out the show notes below. Take advantage of that offer that she made. I did not ask her to do that, by the way. Jen just did that out of the goodness of her heart. So take advantage of that. And yeah, thank you again, Jen, so much for being here. And with that, to all of you guys who are listening, stay relentless achievers. Love you.
